I collected the best tweets of Thursday’s Republican debate in this article on The Federalist.
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Vegas, Republican style
StandardI wrote this tweet roundup of last night’s debates at The Federalist.
The Debate Nobody Watched
StandardThere has been a strange divide between the two major parties this year. The Republicans have seen record numbers watch their primary debates, while the Democrats have tried their best to make sure no one witnesses theirs. Even Vox, the notorious apologists for the Democrats in general and the Clintons in particular, admits that scheduling a debate in Iowa on a Saturday night when Iowa football is on is sketchy. But it’s not the result of bad planning, it’s the result of a bad candidate, Hillary Clinton, and the party machine’s desire to protect her from scrutiny. And it is lost on no one that Clinton’s own party thinks the best way to help her win is to never let anyone see her.
A presidential debate scheduled at 9pm on a Saturday for minimum viewership is definitely one way of symbolizing freedom
— Alex Burns (@alexburnsNYT) November 15, 2015
The DNC should flash "YOU AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE WATCHING" over the screen every 15 seconds to make sure no one pays attention tonight.
— Josh Jordan (@NumbersMuncher) November 15, 2015
This debate was on CBS, and moderated by John Dickerson, to general acclaim:
Dickerson playing for keeps tonight.
— Blake Hounshell (@blakehounshell) November 15, 2015
Resolved: John Dickerson should moderate all debates.
#DemDebate
— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) November 15, 2015
Boy, John Dickerson is really winning this debate.
— John Podhoretz (@jpodhoretz) November 15, 2015
The debate began with opening statements. In hers, Clinton sought once more to assure the American people that she is not a robot:
— Chris Cillizza (@TheFix) November 15, 2015
"I am a real person! I am not a flesh-covered titanium combat skeleton! HUGS!" Jesus, that was a weird quote, Hilary. #DemDebate
— Patton Oswalt (@pattonoswalt) November 15, 2015
The people remain skeptical:
I see the HillaryBot is running Program 37.B hillary.somber.exe
— Sarah Rumpf (@rumpfshaker) November 15, 2015
Once the debates started, the questions naturally turned to the ISIS murders in Paris and the wider question of war on Islamic fundamentalist terror. Clinton tried to sound tough, tougher than President Obama, just as she did when she ran against him in 2008:
Hillary calls for defeat not containment of ISIS–separates herself from Obama's word.
— Larry Sabato (@LarrySabato) November 15, 2015
Bernie Sanders turned, as all old Bolshies do, to the past, highlighting the various misdeeds of the nation he seeks to lead:
Here we go with Allende
— Blake Hounshell (@blakehounshell) November 15, 2015
Sanders is speaking like a fellow who studied for the wrong test.
— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) November 15, 2015
Martin O’Malley said some things:
O'Malley's going to pull out a guitar and sing "You've Got a Friend." #DemDebate
— jon gabriel (@exjon) November 15, 2015
Martin O'Malley is like the fictional president on one of those nondescript network dramas that gets cancelled after four episodes.
— Peter Suderman (@petersuderman) November 15, 2015
Generally, the output was underwhelming:
i feel trapped in a community college teachers lounge.
— GregGutfeld (@greggutfeld) November 15, 2015
OMalley: You gave money to rebuild iraq to alot of shitty people
Clinton: yes but we gave them alot of money.
Round 1 goes to Clinton
— PFTCommenter (@PFTCommenter) November 15, 2015
The candidates next turned to their tax plans, which no one believed:
Dems are being a bit dishonest by proposing large new programs but insisting we won’t have middle-class tax increases.
— Jamelle Bouie (@jbouie) November 15, 2015
Hillary basically just said in different vocabulary exactly what Trump says — we're gonna have a fabulous plan that will cost nothing!
— John Podhoretz (@jpodhoretz) November 15, 2015
HRC does not want to tax "hard-working middle class families". What about sticking it to lazy middle-class families?
— Jeff Greenfield (@greenfield64) November 15, 2015
They talked about reform of the financial industry, which let to the first interesting question of the night: is Hillary Clinton owned by Wall Street? Sanders says yes:
Shorter Bernie Sanders on Hillary's Wall Street donors: "What are we? All fucking stupid or what?"
— Big Sexy Jeb! Lund (@Mobute) November 15, 2015
"Not good enough." Boom. @SenSanders is right on this one, sorry. Hilary's too tied to Wall Street. #DemDebate
— Patton Oswalt (@pattonoswalt) November 15, 2015
Clinton offered an unusual counterargument: 9/11?
Hillary took campaign contributions from Wall St. to rebuke the terrorists?
— Blake Hounshell (@blakehounshell) November 15, 2015
Have never seen a candidate invoke 9/11 to justify millions of Wall Street donations. Until now. @HillaryClinton #DemDebate
— Andy Grewal (@AndyGrewal) November 15, 2015
Shorter Hillary: "Goldman Sachs paid me $200,000 per speech because of 9/11." Vile. #DemDebate
— Jimmy (@JimmyPrinceton) November 15, 2015
O’Malley joined Sanders’s criticism, then touted his his own bona fides:
O'Malley chimes in, I have literally no donors large or small so I'm not beholden to anyone.
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) November 15, 2015
Sanders and O’Malley called for the forward-thinking innovation of re-enacting laws from 1933:
reinstate glass seagull pic.twitter.com/udttq9onqx
— Ruth Graham (@publicroad) November 15, 2015
This was difficult for Clinton to agree with, since her husband had worked to repeal the act in question in 1999. Plus, you know, she’s owned by Wall Street:
Historic reminder that Hillary Clinton's husband:
REPEALED Glass/Steagal
SIGNED The Defense of Marriage Act
— Benny (@bennyjohnson) November 15, 2015
In closing, the candidates reminded the viewer of their strengths.
Sanders called for more “free” stuff:
Bernie Sanders: In 2015 we should look at a college diploma the way we did at a HS diploma 50 years ago. Problem: this is already true.
— Megan McArdle (@asymmetricinfo) November 15, 2015
Clinton emphasized her age and her proximity to important things:
"I come from the '60s. Long time ago" was basically the Obama campaign against Clinton
— Ben Smith (@BuzzFeedBen) November 15, 2015
Hillary Clinton: I have been near major decisions
— TheModernMan (@AceofSpadesHQ) November 15, 2015
O’Malley said something, but even he wasn’t paying attention:
O'Malley talking about the utopia of Baltimore. #DemDebate
— jon gabriel (@exjon) November 15, 2015
"I just caught myself in the monitor and I am ridiculously handsome. Wow." — O'Malley #ClosingStatements #DemDebate
— Patton Oswalt (@pattonoswalt) November 15, 2015
There was not much said here, and not many people watched it. The only real take-away was in the most ridiculous item of the night:
Good night. Need to sleep on notion that scores died on 9/11 so that @HillaryClinton could raise money on Wall Street
— Ron Fournier (@ron_fournier) November 15, 2015
Fortunately, Democrats will have a chance to revisit the issue in their next two debates, to be held on the Saturday before Christmas and on a Sunday in January, opposite an NFL playoff game.
Tweets from Milwaukee
StandardI rounded up the best debate tweets of the night and mixed in some analysis in this piece at The Federalist. Check it out!
Mill-e-wah-que
StandardTonight, the Republicans will gather for their fourth debate in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. I suppose the locations don’t matter, but why they don’t do it in Iowa is beyond me. Anyway, the debate (on Fox Business Network) will be a little smaller this time, not because anyone has dropped out of the race, but because the debate organizers have required that a candidate average 1% in the national polls to participate. Three candidates, Jim Gilmore, Lindsey Graham, and George Pataki, have failed to reach even this low bar.
The field is still unwieldy enough to require two debates. Chris Christie, Mike Huckabee, Bobby Jindal, and Rick Santorum will sit at the kids’ table, while Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, Carly Fiorina, John Kasich, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, and Donald Trump take the main stage. I hope a debate among eight debaters proves easier to manage than one with ten, which has just seemed absurd at times.
As before, the task for the candidates in the first debate is to get noticed. As the primaries near, this begins to look more and more like a lost cause, but there is still some hope. Jindal polls higher in Iowa than he does in the national polls that determined his placement here, and Christie has the ability to make himself heard. The other two, if they don’t make a strong showing in Iowa (and they haven’t so far) are doomed.
At the big show, Kasich, Paul, Fiorina, and Bush are fighting against the draining of their supporters to the two emerging leaders among the normals: Rubio and Cruz. That sort of a break out is difficult: Fiorina achieved it once, in the performance that elevated her to the grown-up table, but since then her support has receded. For Paul, the number of like-minded libertarians in the party may be too small to move him any farther than he already is. Kasich does well among moderates and the media, but even the disproportionate attention he gets hasn’t raised his standing among actual voters. And for Bush, the challenge is the most acute. He went for the knockout last time, and Rubio counter-punched him back into his corner. It’s hard to see any different result this time.
Trump and Carson continue to struggle to find respect among serious voters, and I don’t see how they’ll do so tonight. Both have run policy-free campaigns. Will they get serious this time? I doubt it. Expect more bombast from Trump and weirdness from Carson.
That leaves the two frontrunners among serious candidates, Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio. Cruz won some hearts in the last debate with his cogent policy remarks, self-awareness, and attacks on the inept moderators. More of the same won’t hurt him. Rubio, the recipient of several high-profile endorsements since the last debate, needs only to replicate his previous performances to show that he is the proper mainstream candidate around whom the party regulars should continue to coalesce.
The Fall of the House of Bush
StandardWednesday’s Republican debate had several interesting stories (I wrote about it here) but the most dramatic, and the most shocking from an historical perspective, is the decline of the candidacy of Jeb Bush. Although Bush never enjoyed the “inevitable” frontrunner status that Hillary Clinton holds over her fellow Democrats, Bush was seen as the man to beat at the start of his campaign. He had name recognition, a record of conservative governance, loads of cash, and connections to a family machine that knows how to win. But all those advantages have amounted to little as Jeb’s supporters slowly drained away over the last few months.
Plenty of pundits are calling this the end of Jeb. And for most candidates, it would be. But Jeb still has those resources to draw on, and I don’t think he’ll drop out before the Iowa caucus. Still, his position looks precarious.
This is kind of a strange thing to say. For years, we’ve been hearing about how Jeb was the smarter brother, the more reasonable, the more capable, the more electable. But those promises have all withered in the heat of a national campaign. Maybe George W. Bush was a better politician than we gave him credit for.
With voters and donors beginning to doubt him, Bush took drastic action, attacking his erstwhile protege Marco Rubio on national television. But Jeb is not meant for the heel’s turn. Everyone could tell his heart wasn’t in it, and after Rubio’s devastating response, Bush almost seemed to accept the rebuke, knowing he deserved it.
I’ve supported all of the Bushes for as long as I can remember being interested in politics. Look at this picture:
One of those young Republicans is me (the other three are all Democrats now). Even then, I wanted four more years of a Bush presidency. In 2000, I voted for George W. in the primary and the general. I did the same in 2004, and I’m glad I did. All things being equal, 2008 should have been Jeb’s time. But all things are not equal, and even had 2008 not been a disastrous year for all Republicans, the voters were not likely to elect the brother of a man who had held the White House for the past eight years, no matter how popular or unpopular he might be.
We have a love-hate relationship with dynastic politics in this country, but twelve or sixteen years straight of the same family would have been too much for most any voter to swallow. That’s a credit to America’s republican values, but it doomed the chances of an otherwise highly qualified man. 2012, too, came and went. Could Jeb have won then? Maybe. I think he would’ve done better than Mitt Romney, especially in Florida, but even that might not have been enough. Which brings us to today.
Dynastic politics make me uncomfortable, as they do for a lot of people who believe that our republic should not be ruled by a small clique of powerful families. But I have to admit, that Jeb is a Bush is one of the things I liked about him. The Bushes are smart, conservative and (most importantly), they know how to win. And no matter what you think of a primary candidate, the first question you must ask about him is “can he win?” I thought Jeb could win, because I saw his brother win.
Lots of people look on Jeb’s fall with glee, but I’m not one of them. I still think no other candidate is better equipped to do the job of President from day one. He’s smart, well-versed on the issues, and ready to hit the ground running. If Pennsylvania’s primary were today, I’d probably still vote for him. But, more and more, I think 2016 is not Jeb’s year. What’s worse, it is probably his last chance.
Tweets from Boulder
StandardI rounded up the best tweets of last night’s debate over at The Federalist. Check it out!
On to Boulder
StandardTonight, fourteen of the fifteen remaining Republican candidates meet at the Coors Event Center in Boulder, Colorado for their third debate. As before, the size of the field forced the organizers to split it into two debates. In the first, which no one will watch, Bobby Jindal, Lindsay Graham, George Pataki and Rick Santorum will struggle for attention. Jim Gilmore wasn’t invited. How much longer will these men continue to campaign? Jindal, alone, has a chance of breaking out of the pack, and even his odds are looking longer by the day.
In the main debate, erstwhile frontrunner Donald Trump will participate from behind in the polls for the first time. He must do something to regain his dwindling fanbase, but I don’t think it’s possible. What brought them to him in the first place had nothing to do with words or reason, and no words or reason can bring them back. What will be interesting is how he tries: will Trump attack the new favorite, Ben Carson, or will he continue his assault on Jeb Bush?
Carson, who now outpolls Trump in Iowa by a significant margin, is difficult to figure out. It’s hard for the other candidates to go negative against him because even people (like me) who don’t want to vote for him still think of him as a decent man. The usual Trump bombast might backfire. On the other hand, a more solid performance from Carson might increase his lead, especially if he looks less bewildered than last time.
For Bush, who I think who would do the best job as President, the challenge is to show himself as the best candidate. His campaign has featured the most well-thought-out policy proposals of any of them, but he has yet to translate earnest desire for the job into a more inspirational fire in the belly that will draw supporters to his cause.
Of all of the candidates, Marco Rubio has risen the most in my estimation through his debate performance. He consistently knows what he’s talking about and comes up with thoughtful, conservative answers. His poll numbers have been rising, and another good performance could convince undecided voters that he is up to the job.
Since her inspiring performance last time, Carly Fiorina has been coasting back down to the middle of the pack. She’s the most credible of the outsider candidates, and this is her chance to show it again. Cruz, too, could use this debate as the chance to push ahead of the pack. As the only candidate to straddle the outsider-insider divide, he could pick up some of the supporters Trump is losing, especially if he manages to sound more bellicose. They seem to like that.
Christie has been out of the news so much I keep forgetting he’s running. He had a good showing last time, but something seems to be holding him back. Likewise, Kasich has been getting some supporters, but seems blocked by the other mainstream candidates. Paul will keep looking for the libertarian moment. Sadly, I don’t think 2016 is it. But some good answers on civil liberties questions might brighten his candidacy.
Huckabee will probably make some good conservative answers and sell a few more books, which seems to be the point of his candidacy.
If you’re tired of my opinions, here are some from a few other people:
- Debate Preview: Heated Rivalries Take the Stage, by Caitlin Huey-Burns
- GOP Outsiders Are Likely to Stay That Way, by David Avella
- CNBC’s John Harwood Has No Business Moderating A GOP Presidential Debate, by Mollie Hemingway
- GOP campaigns ponder: Is it safe to attack Ben Carson? by Byron York
- What the GOP’s Top Candidates Must Do in Their Third Debate, by John Dickerson
Blue on blue
StandardSaturday Night Live’s send up of the Democratic debate wasn’t half bad. Larry David appearing as Bernie Sanders fulfilled the wishes more viewers than anything since Tina Fey played Sarah Palin.
But my favorite moment was Kate McKinnon as Hillary Clinton answering the question about her refusal to obey the law on classified information while Secretary of State: “I welcome this question because I rehearsed this one the longest.”
Nailed it.
Vegas, the morning after
StandardThe story of the night at the Democrats’ Las Vegas Debate was that Hillary 6.0 was ClintonCo’s most bug-free release since 2009. She made no obvious errors, and her anger subroutine was almost as good as real live angry man Bernie Sanders. Her logic programming was still flawed, as shown in the discussion of whether she was progressive or moderate, but flawed logic may be a feature, not a bug, with the Democratic electorate. All in all, though, I think she calmed the Democratic Establishment’s nerves, and may have helped to stave off the Draft Biden movement. There will be more stumbles–Hillary is still a deeply flawed candidate–but this competent performance may stop the slide, for now.
Sanders’s performance was also strong. He came off at times as a crazy, partially deaf old man, and at one point he definitely wasn’t paying attention, but he, too, made no obvious errors. Sanders projected his weird vision of bourgeois socialism as effectively as his followers could have hoped, and recovered from his earlier struggles with black Democrats by showing that he had been adequately reeducated in the new dogma (which he likely believed all along, but lacked the adequate buzz words to convey).
As to the rest: O’Malley sleepwalked through most of the debate, but showed some flashes of fire at the end when discussing green energy, an issue no one cares about. Webb spent half his time complaining that he wasn’t given enough time, and the other half demonstrating that there’s no place for men like him in the Democratic party. I’d love to see him on stage at the next Republican debate. And Chafee. Even though he’s had months to prepare, his answers sounded like what you’d hear if you broke into his house in the middle of the night, woke him up, shined a flashlight in his eyes, and demanded he explain his PATRIOT Act vote. I don’t think he or Lessig have much of a shot, but I know who would’ve added more serious content to the debate.
On a lighter note, here are some of the best debate tweets of the night:
Mutants:
Really hoping one of these random white dude candidates turns out to be Mystique kicking off the mutant revolution on live TV.
— Saladin Ahmed (@saladinahmed) October 14, 2015
On guns:
“I’m carrying right now!” Jim Webb #DemDebate
— Stephen Miller (@redsteeze) October 14, 2015
Simpsons quote:
#DemDebate pic.twitter.com/JqXdWBm0VH — jon gabriel (@exjon) October 14, 2015
Dodging the question:
‘tracy why were you late for work today?’ ‘id rather talk about issues that the american people care about.’
— Tracy LaFway Clayton (@brokeymcpoverty) October 14, 2015
Webb:
Clinton: I agree w/ Bernie. O’Malley: I agree w/ Bernie. Chafee: I agree w/ Bernie. Sanders: I agree w/ Bernie. Webb: Pinkos. #DemDebate — Jody Ridlehoover (@ridlehoover) October 14, 2015
Webb called the Viet Cong Communists. That is self-destructive in a Democrat primary — Soren Dayton (@sorendayton) October 14, 2015
Chafee:
— AmBOO (@missambear) October 14, 2015
If Chafee had a staff, they would have told him not to say that. — Ari Fleischer (@AriFleischer) October 14, 2015
The Dems would get more value from Lincoln Chafee if they let Planned Parenthood sell him as spare parts. — Michael B Dougherty (@michaelbd) October 14, 2015
InfoSec:
Hillary, who put sensitive information at risk herself with a workaround email server, says Snowden put us at risk by divulging information. — Josh Jordan (@NumbersMuncher) October 14, 2015
The PATRIOT Act:
Lincoln Chaffee: The Patriot Act was voted in by 99-1 Bernie: pic.twitter.com/LPq1IKxkMa — Hayes Brown (@HayesBrown) October 14, 2015
Biden?
“and that’s it for tonight…” *faint sound of opening riff to more than a feeling* “hold on. is that? is it!?” biden storms the stage — Jamelle Booo-eeee! (@jbouie) October 14, 2015
And my favorite, on legalizing marijuana:
SANDERS: HEY HEY HEY-EY-EY … … … … COOPER: Is that your entire ans— SANDERS: SMOKE WEED EVERY DAY — Ben Mathis-Lilley (@BenMathisLilley) October 14, 2015